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Spongebob
Hi I'm looking for the best deal on a power commander V for my 2016 XSR700 and wondered if anyone knows if a 2014 mt 07 PCV is the same? Also if anyone knows a part number for the right one. Google seems to be giving me lots of different answers.
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hotwheels
Xsr 2016-2017 : #dypcv22-078
mt07 2014-2017 : #dypcv22-065
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Spongebob
Thanks for the numbers. I was wondering as some sites list them as the same and some different. MT07 power commanders through sportsbikeshop are quite a lot cheaper but if the part number is different there must be something different either connectors or base map.
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I heard its better to go with the flash ecu kit rather than power commander on this bike. the ecu has more control over the map and other options than the power commander could. also cheaper to install seems no messy wiring.

if you get an ecu flash kit you can change map it yourself as you add mods, exhaust, air filter, or - a dyno shop might be cheaper and will do a flash catered to your bike but if you change your kit then youd have to get them to do it again.

cheers
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Spongebob
Thanks. I live in Bristol and the local Dyno shops seem to work solely with Power commanders. I wouldn't be against flashing the ECU but it's doesn't seem as widespread on motorcycles as it is on cars.
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Caesar243
I just flashed my ECU with the Ftecu flash tune kit sold by Velox Racing this weekend. You would have to buy the FZ/MT-07 kit, it works flawlessly with the XSR700 since they share identical ECUs (I checked before I bought it).

It wasn't very difficult to install the bike side harness directly into the ECU harness. The software is also fairly straight forward and it includes 10-12 unrestricted maps from different countries. You can even import PCV maps with it too. I haven't had a chance to really test any of the maps much yet but there is a noticeable difference using some of the included maps. I will be updating soon after I have more time to play around with the different maps.
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Caesar243 said:
I just flashed my ECU with the Ftecu flash tune kit sold by Velox Racing this weekend. You would have to buy the FZ/MT-07 kit, it works flawlessly with the XSR700 since they share identical ECUs (I checked before I bought it).

It wasn't very difficult to install the bike side harness directly into the ECU harness. The software is also fairly straight forward and it includes 10-12 unrestricted maps from different countries. You can even import PCV maps with it too. I haven't had a chance to really test any of the maps much yet but there is a noticeable difference using some of the included maps. I will be updating soon after I have more time to play around with the different maps.
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That sounds like a good option. Being the same as the mt07 brings me back to my original thoughts on the difference between the power commander kits. I'll be interested to know how you get on
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I have had good results using an unrestricted base map with a PC map I downloaded for an FZ-07 bike with a similar exhaust/intake setup. Seems to respond nicely in all gears and the exhaust popping is almost entirely gone now.

Right now PC only has one map for the XSR700 on its site. Hopefully that will change soon and we will see more maps (with different setups) available to try. There are a decent amount of FZ/MT 07 maps though.
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Caesar, did FTecu have a base map with your ECU number on it?
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Caesar, did FTecu have a base map with your ECU number on it?
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They have the stock FZ-07 map in the software. The FZ/MT-07 uses the exact same ECU as the XSR700 so the maps are identical. Once you buy the software you have access to pretty much all of their ECU maps for every bike that is compatible. You even have access to User submitted maps, although they warn that you use them at your own risk.


I have found two unrestricted maps that work well with my bike, exhaust, and intake setup. I am also looking into their activetune upgrade that tunes the bike using an O2 sensor in the near future. I will update this thread when I go that route soon.
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Thanks for the reply. I understand that you need to use an FZ 07 base map, but I think the base maps are supposed to match the number on your ECU. That could explain why there are multiple 2017 US FZ 07 base maps, but I could be wrong.

None of the base maps matched my ECU number, which is why I was curious about yours. I chose what I assumed was the latest FZ 07 base map, and it seems to be working well.

Let us know how the activetune upgrade goes.
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Spongebob
After a bit more research I've booked the bike in for a remap using Woolich racing software at the local Dyno shop. I'll update once it's done.
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Rocketdog said:
Thanks for the reply. I understand that you need to use an FZ 07 base map, but I think the base maps are supposed to match the number on your ECU. That could explain why there are multiple 2017 US FZ 07 base maps, but I could be wrong.

None of the base maps matched my ECU number, which is why I was curious about yours. I chose what I assumed was the latest FZ 07 base map, and it seems to be working well.

Let us know how the activetune upgrade goes.
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Ah ok now I see what you mean, I didn't know you had access to the software. 2RC-8951A-20 is what appears on my ECU and I have used matching maps and even others without any issues. You have to peel back the rubber cover to get to the sticker that has your ECU number on it. I use the 2017 2RC-8591A-20(US) Unrestricted map on my bike and it runs nicely.

So I just got the Activetune add on and I found out that it requires a wideband M18 x 1.5 sensor and our bikes (and aftermarket exhausts) come with a 12mm bung. I had to take off the exhaust, grind off the stock bung, drill out the hole to 5/8", and then have a M18 stainless steel bung welded into it's place. I also picked up an 12mm adapter in case I want to return to the stock sensor in the future (probably if I take it in for any warranty work). The wire they give you is for an FZ/MT-07 so it is long for the XSR700 which has the harness for the 02 sensor about a foot away from the sensor. I managed to get it so connector and the lambda controller are both under the seat with the rest of the relays and fuses. I did have to remove the battery to squeeze the wire and harness between the subframe and the plastic battery housing. I am going to reinstall the exhaust tomorrow and give it a spin, so I will update soon...

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Just a quick update for anyone interested. I have been running the Autotune for a few weeks and have had excellent results. The bike runs great and the popping during decel is almost non existent. It did take a handful of rides to get it to remap the entire spreadsheet. I gather now it only makes very small changes while riding.

Really good solution to aftermarket exhaust for those interested, although it will run you about $700 for both the tuning software and the ECU harness. I bought them separately but would recommend just buying the bundle if you go this route. Messing with the unlocked maps is not an exact science and would take lots of trial and error to get it perfect. Just throwing my experience out there for anyone else....
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Just a quick update on my remap. After initially having the bike mapped in July by a local Dyno shop (which caused all kinds of running issues) and having a month long struggle to get them to put the standard map back on and refund the cost of mapping (as they wanted to charge again for rectifying the problem they caused), I have finally had the bike mapped by Reps Motorcycles (using woolich) and am over the moon with the bike. The bike has the mt07 akroprovic (no baffle) and a k &n filter, the airbox lid was modified by reps as part of the tuning as they said it greatly improved mid range torque.

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Ah ok now I see what you mean, I didn't know you had access to the software. 2RC-8951A-20 is what appears on my ECU and I have used matching maps and even others without any issues. You have to peel back the rubber cover to get to the sticker that has your ECU number on it. I use the 2017 2RC-8591A-20(US) Unrestricted map on my bike and it runs nicely.

So I just got the Activetune add on and I found out that it requires a wideband M18 x 1.5 sensor and our bikes (and aftermarket exhausts) come with a 12mm bung. I had to take off the exhaust, grind off the stock bung, drill out the hole to 5/8", and then have a M18 stainless steel bung welded into it's place. I also picked up an 12mm adapter in case I want to return to the stock sensor in the future (probably if I take it in for any warranty work). The wire they give you is for an FZ/MT-07 so it is long for the XSR700 which has the harness for the 02 sensor about a foot away from the sensor. I managed to get it so connector and the lambda controller are both under the seat with the rest of the relays and fuses. I did have to remove the battery to squeeze the wire and harness between the subframe and the plastic battery housing. I am going to reinstall the exhaust tomorrow and give it a spin, so I will update soon...
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hos the FTecu active tune working long term? I getting ready to pull the trigger on an exhaust and tune for my 2018 xsr. I'm looking at two brothers sr1 it has 18 x 1.5 thread on it, so I know I'm good there. I'm confused on how to use FTecu active tune with out a dyno. does it log data as you ride so you can update fuel maps in the softwear to get it closer to perfect?
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From the graphs you showed, you got about 4 lbs. more Tq, and a couple h.p. what did you have to shell out for the new exhaust and the software changes total to get that?
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4lbs torque and similar hp gains may not sound like much really, but to our bikes that is nearly a 10% increase in both, and that is definitely gonna be felt in the seat of the pants. The set up may be pricey, but when it is coupled with smoother throttle response/power delivery, a killer sound, and knowledge that the bike is no longer running lean as per the factory mapping, I am in. Can't wait to get this done to mine. I will be going with the hindle cone exhaust, however, which is significantly cheaper than the akra.
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Caesar243 said:
Just a quick update for anyone interested. I have been running the Autotune for a few weeks and have had excellent results. The bike runs great and the popping during decel is almost non existent. It did take a handful of rides to get it to remap the entire spreadsheet. I gather now it only makes very small changes while riding.

Really good solution to aftermarket exhaust for those interested, although it will run you about $700 for both the tuning software and the ECU harness. I bought them separately but would recommend just buying the bundle if you go this route. Messing with the unlocked maps is not an exact science and would take lots of trial and error to get it perfect. Just throwing my experience out there for anyone else....
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curious on the bundle - would you even have to bother with the mapping at all, or just let ActiveTune do its thing from the beginning ?
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